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jimking · #11 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 07:47 AM

Not to jump off thread here but that is another thing that bugs me in America's job market-- getting jobs because of their benefits, most cases it's health insurance. What the hell does it tell you that one goes after the job only because of benefits or health insurance? Now, the younger folks maybe confortable with that but someone who goes back aways sees something not square with that. Money is number one and future advancements of one form or another and how one gets along with the management and how they may fit in and of course what benefits they have. But it seems benefits have become the dominate factor in what job to choose and how much dental care they have. I don't blame the printers at all for this, it's an American problem. When General Motors says that it spends more on healthcare than steel and metal to build its cars then there is a serious problem! Hell, most of GM's employees spend a chunk of their own money to match GMs.

GinSu · #12 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 09:28 AM

Health Insurance Companies are crooks!!!!

EVERY YEAR we have to fill out new applications for health insurance because the cost goes up. That causes the boss, who truly does want to provided this benefit, to shop for cheaper health care. In the past 17 years we've probably had 6 different insurance plans.

Of course employees are shopping for better benefits because it's too costly for them to afford on their own.

Crooks, I tell ya, CROOKS!!!

jimking · #13 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GinSu

Health Insurance Companies are crooks!!!!

EVERY YEAR we have to fill out new applications for health insurance because the cost goes up. That causes the boss, who truly does want to provided this benefit, to shop for cheaper health care. In the past 17 years we've probably had 6 different insurance plans.

Of course employees are shopping for better benefits because it's too costly for them to afford on their own.

Crooks, I tell ya, CROOKS!!!

Legal crooks though! I know folks who bust their can at their job but they can't afford the company's insurance and found better insurance on there own. Still not the company's fault. Times are changing and the shit is going to hit the fan in a few.

Joe · #14 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 10:01 AM

It's cheaper to die than to be sick.

jimking · #15 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 10:10 AM

Someone very close to me is very sick with a long term incureable chronic disease. Make a long story short her employer has dumped her because the HMO dumped her and would not help her at all to find a qualified doctor to treat this rare condition. She's no good to the employer or the for profit HMO so the HMO shuggs her off as a nut when infact she's been diagnosed with this most painful physical disease. Her COBRA insurance will cost her 1300 bucks a month. This is one reason why people look at their jobs for insurance mainly. Don't get sick is right!

30YearsandCounting · #16 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 10:33 AM

It's a crime when the richest, most powerful country in the world has millions of people that can't afford health insurance... and a whole lot of others that do but still can't afford to be sick. No system is perfect, but maybe Canada, England (and every other civilised country in the world) has the right idea. Health care should be a universal right for everyone. Someday America will wake up.

jimking · #17 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 10:55 AM

I don't think their system is that great, to me they are way over managed and people wait way too long to get help when there is a serious problem. I think the U.S. has got this huge money making monkey in the middle of the patient and the doctor relationship and this monkey is in it for the money and calling most of the shots using a slew of lawyers enacted by Congress. And what is with this open enrollment crap---translation----restrict compitition. Another words if you feel your insurance company is f'en you over--- your stuck! And what is it about HMOs not covering pre-existing conditions, what, are we car parts or something? Now, you got all these talking heads and politicos out there yacking about putting caps on lawsuits because someone maybe faking or something--BS! They really are talking about profits for the insurance companies which I didn't buy into a year ago but I do now. So, to get back on track with this thread I may add "Damn I'll take that job, it only pays $10 an hour but its got Blue Cross Blue Shield, yeehaa!

Techboy · #18 (**permalink**) 08-22-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by barney

Must have a BA in fine arts ; this is not a design position .... Must be proficient in design. ; part time / freelance /contingent ; $12/ hour.

This is for the birds!

In book/magazine/print publishing, it's been like this for at least a decade now here in NYC. I doubt this will improve either. Whenever I get to the opportunity to speak with anyone new in this field to stay out of it or at least get out early.

Even though, PDF/JDF is pushing to streamline everything even further from upstream to downstream, prepress will always be necessary at either publishers' or printers' end.

The questions isn't where and why, but rather ask yourself do you want to stay in this industry, and if yes, do you have the experience and knowledge to compete.

Mjetz · #19 (**permalink**) 08-22-2007, 05:26 AM

Workflow Expert. That's the future of Prepress. You want to survive in this business then you have to become a Workflow Expert. Not just how they work, but beable to build, maintain and troubleshoot automated workflows. Sure the skills of Digital Prepress and Print knowledge are needed. My shop is an in-plant printer for a home/personal care company. I'm on the frontline build a workflow that gets PDFs from the design group and goes all the way to plate with as much automation as possible.

Packaging is growing. Comercial is fighting the Internet, digital distribution, on demand digital print. Just about everything that's made needs to go into a package of so kind and that needs print.

jimking · #20 (**permalink**) 08-22-2007, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mjetz

Workflow Expert. That's the future of Prepress. You want to survive in this business then you have to become a Workflow Expert. Not just how they work, but beable to build, maintain and troubleshoot automated workflows. Sure the skills of Digital Prepress and Print knowledge are needed. My shop is an in-plant printer for a home/personal care company. I'm on the frontline build a workflow that gets PDFs from the design group and goes all the way to plate with as much automation as possible.

Packaging is growing. Comercial is fighting the Internet, digital distribution, on demand digital print. Just about everything that's made needs to go into a package of so kind and that needs print.

Agree.