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[Bart]

And another thing..........

Back when your infamous American Constitution was being drafted, the ruling WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) took a vote on what language the constitution should be written in. English won by a couple of votes over GERMAN.

So if it wasn't for the British you'd be the ones speaking german my friend! (Mind you, if it had of gone in german's favour, who do you think the US would have backed in WWI & WWII, so by now we'd all be speaking freakin' german!).

So please don't ever lecture me on that 'if it wasn't for us' shit.

[Bart]

And another thing..........

Back when your infamous American Constitution was being drafted, the ruling WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) took a vote on what language the constitution should be written in. English won by a couple of votes over GERMAN.

So if it wasn't for the British you'd be the ones speaking german my friend! (Mind you, if it had of gone in german's favour, who do you think the US would have backed in WWI & WWII, so by now we'd all be speaking freakin' german!).

So please don't ever lecture me on that 'if it wasn't for us' shit.

[Pointyhat]

It is my impression that Americans relocate to a new state at a moments notice to find work. Yet they would never consider moving to India. Why not?

I wouldn't be in the United States

But it does bother me when Americans start bashing the English over WWII, Jesus, they were the only country in Europe that genuinely appreciated being our allies. Remember folks, Hilter was invading Europe long before the bombs hit Pearl Harbor and the Sleeping Giant awoke.

[Bart]

Originally Posted by Pointyhat

I wouldn't be in the United States

But it does bother me when Americans start bashing the English over WWII, Jesus, they were the only country in Europe that genuinely appreciated being our allies. Remember folks, Hilter was invading Europe long before the bombs hit Pearl Harbor and the Sleeping Giant awoke.

Pointyhat. Your message seems to have got cut short if the above quote is anything to go on.

Better to be an expatriate American than an unemployed American.

[Pointyhat]

Better to be an expatriate American than an unemployed American.

Sorry Bart, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I'd never want to live anywhere else.

[Peon]

I couln't agree more pointyhat, it seems that unfortunately we have many more foreigner's wanting to come in to America than we have going out.

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by josetom

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[jim_t]

Originally Posted by Bart

Seems I hit a bit of a raw nerve again. I don't want to start a flame but if there wasn't something in it for US, then you wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

I am a great believer in 'the market'. It decides everything and should be left without hindrance or state intervention. Unfortunately the US props up too many inefficient industries with tariffs and subsidies that means that goods are not sold on the world market at their market value. The taxpayers end up paying twice - the subsidy and the inflated price - so as always it is the man on the street who suffers.

It is my impression that Americans relocate to a new state at a moments notice to find work. Yet they would never consider moving to India. Why not? The wages might be next to nothing but so is the cost of living. You'd never have to do housework again - a real incentive if you ever needed one!

And don't give me that 'war' shit. I have never had that opinion labeled on me before and I don't intend to start now. To turn it back, if it wasn't for Europe, America would still be populated by red indians. But you guys never seem to remember that when you were supporting c*nts like the IRA several years back.

At the end of the day it is Americans (the bosses and Wall Street) who decide to outsource work to India. If it wasn't worth it financially then you wouldn't have to worry about it because it wouldn't happen.

Good website to share your frustrations is www.yourjobisgoingtoindia.com take them over there and leave me out of it.

Oh Monday mornings - don't you just love them!

While this topic is waaaaay off any prepress subjects .............

The reason why most Americans would not move to India is the same reason why we wouldn't move anywhere else in the world -- simply put, we are the greatest nation in the world in terms of prosperity and opportunity. So even if you want to bring up "the Indians" (seems you've forgotten your own nation's history of attempted dominance in the world) and while you may bash the US for the issues you listed above, I think that holier than thou stance you've taken is so far skewed it's not even credible. That's why most people in the world WANT to come to America, because it offers unlimited opportunity more than any other nation on the face of this earth.

So at the end of the day we will agree to disagree, and like you, I will never never stand for someone making derogatory remarks about my country -- funny thing about us Americans - we can fight amongst ourselves but you'd be amazed at how fast we band together when opposing forces appear at doorstep.

[jim_t]

PS - Quark 6 still sucks :lol:

[Bart]

I bags the final word!

If you know your world history then you will be aware that all 'empires' rise and fall - nothing is forever and whilst change is not always immediate, over decades it is inevitable that power shifts. Decline can be triggered by one event or gradual over time. It started with the dinosaurs and will continue until this planet no longer exists.

It is a basic law of physics that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changes from one form to another. Perpetual motion cannot exist. The same can be said of business - business is energy.

America has had the 'power' for the last fifty odd years, since WWII, a very, very short period of time for an empire. You look and feel invincible but as I have outlined above, change is inevitable. You must prepare for that change NOW - not twenty years down the line when China has stolen your power base.

A good friend of mine was offered a position in India to help set up a document management centre, which he turned down unfortunately. It is an American company who are moving all their operations from NY and whilst cost is seen as a major reason for the move, the over-riding factor for the shift is quality. Indians take huge pride in their work and the quality of the work turned out is top notch. The same work, if carried out in NY, would have been sent back for revision several times before being acceptable.

America has become complacent whilst retaining the arrogance, so it takes as much as it can without putting in the effort anymore. Power without responsibility. You see it all around you everyday, you moan about it here often enough, so don't say it doesn't exist.

Wake up America and smell the coffee! The world is changing - it is a global community, not national. You must change with it. You have 280 million-odd citizens in a world population of six billion (?). The internet is global, technology is global. If you were to cut yourselves off from the world it would take five years before all your great conglomerates were taken over by non-US companies. The power shifts from the US to A.N. Other country. History will repeat itself again.