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Jalan · #1 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 10:42 AM

Alright, I'm going to say this strait up, if one more asswipe asks me for a "Trade" on software such as a copy of my Rip software, Quark, InDesign, or whatever you want, including registration codes, I will go postal on your ass.
If you want illegal crap, you wont find it here. Go back into the holes you crawled out of and "Bite my shiney metal ass."
You people, and you know who you are, are the reasons software costs more than it should.

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prepress_brillance_43 · #2 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 11:01 AM

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Ratbag · #3 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 02:41 PM

While I agree with most of what your saying I very much doubt that the cost of software has anything to do with piracy. But it's a nice little justification on the software companies part.

Jalan · #4 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ratbag

While I agree with most of what your saying I very much doubt that the cost of software has anything to do with piracy. But it's a nice little justification on the software companies part.

I beg to differ. I run a software company, and I see first hand what piracy does to our sales. Luckily it's more of a hobby than mainstream software. Once one of our titles is setup on another countries site fully registered, sales near drop to nothing.

Ratbag · #5 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 03:29 PM

I guess smaller software firms are harder hit, but some of the large software companies I'm not sure lose out much at all... I mean, it's uninformed opinion caused by inherent distrust of the man, but to a degree one could argue that they owe some of their popularity to the mass distribution of piracy. Would the people who possess a copy of photoshop have gone out and bought it anyway? Or would they have got paintshop pro.

Jalan · #6 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 03:41 PM

I'm sure there some valitidy to that statement and I see your point, but it's also the reason for the very annoying ways of activating software.
In any case, theft is theft. I also doubt that there is very few people who get illegal software that actually go and buy it later on.
I'm sure that some companies, such as Adobe who have plenty of loyal buyers. But not many companies are of that size.

Sparky · #7 (**permalink**) 04-25-2005, 06:44 PM

I know I'll get hammered for this one but I fully believe in non-pirating. But I also believe in the fact that if software manufactures would lower the price the reason for pirating would go away (somewhat). As a private individual I would be more than happy to pay between $100 and $200 for software I was getting that was solid as well as getting a certain amount of support for.

When they charge several hundreds of dollars for software, that just puts it out of reach for myself and other "not so well to do" individuals who really need it to get started in business and it just creates the "out of the trunk" black market for software piracy. :evil:

Bart · #8 (**permalink**) 04-26-2005, 01:02 AM

Jalan,

I don't understand how your software is getting pirated, can you explain in a bit more detail?

Has anyone else other than Jalan been approached via this site for software?

tuff_gong · #9 (**permalink**) 04-26-2005, 07:41 AM

On other boards I sometimes see "Where can I get a serial number for (application)? Not here so much.

Jalan · #10 (**permalink**) 04-26-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bart

Jalan,

I don't understand how your software is getting pirated, can you explain in a bit more detail?

Has anyone else other than Jalan been approached via this site for software?

I've been approached on this website by private emails to give full versions of my Nexus Rip and Adobe CS. I informed Cory of one incident just to let him know it was going on.
I've also seen requests for this kinda stuff posted here. But I'm not going to go through every post to find them again. I gotta work sometime.

As for my private software, fully registered versions can be found via bit torrent clients and other countries websites. Some sites have our registration code information posted. Being a small company, we aren't going to try to take legal action against other countries that most likely don't follow the laws and agreements between most countries on such issues. And yes, our user agreement is listed in plain verbage that one copy per registration and distribution may only occur with full documentation in unregistered format.

To reply to Sparky, good man. (in stereotypical pirate voice) Arg! Pirating be bad.
If you think about the Adobe Suite, it only costs around $250 per program. The whole suite costs less than a good computer and is as much a tool as the computer itself
. How much profit is made off these programs? How fast does it pay for itself? I do photo manipulation in Photoshop for $100/hr, that makes it up real quick. Now Quark, $700 for a single application, that's outrageous. $150 for publisher! But I agree Sparky, it's hard to startup when your tools can cost so much.
My products are not out of reach for average consumers, nothing more than $15 a piece, and yet, pirated. So I'm not totally sure it's just based on price. We also make free of cost titles, of course we don't care if people pirate that... :wink: