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Old 07-02-2007, 01:39 PM
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TIFF vs EPS

Hi All,
Can someone explain why it is still a common practice in saving photoshop/any pixel-base art in EPS for printing? There is no longer any on-screen redrawing issues with TIFF in neither Quark nor InDesign. Am I missing something? Is this one of those old habits that isn't going away?

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Old 07-02-2007, 07:37 PM
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To Keep your answer simple...Yes its an old habbit that I wish would disappear..
If people do require EPS you have to ask yourself why don't they update there software and get with the times......

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PS I have come arcoss loads of issues Placing RGB images and using colour management in Indesighn....it prefers native files or tiffs
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:56 PM
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What a coincidence! I've been asked this question twice in the last three days at work!

Yes, it seems to be a case of "old habits die hard", for two main reasons:

1. Early generation postscript RIPs needed EPSs. New rips can handle anything.

2. Early Quark Xpress only recognised clipping paths in EPSs. Nowadays, clipping paths are a breeze!

Anybody using a reasonably new RIP, and recent page layout programs, should be able to ditch their EPS workflow.
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Old 07-07-2007, 10:37 PM
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What a coincidence! I've been asked this question twice in the last three days at work!

Yes, it seems to be a case of "old habits die hard", for two main reasons:

1. Early generation postscript RIPs needed EPSs. New rips can handle anything.

2. Early Quark Xpress only recognised clipping paths in EPSs. Nowadays, clipping paths are a breeze!

Anybody using a reasonably new RIP, and recent page layout programs, should be able to ditch their EPS workflow.
No, old RIP's did not need EPS files. EPS files were used for a variety of reasons. Most notably were clipping paths. But also because of color management as well as prevent applications such as Quark from automatically optimizing image resolution when printing. EPS's also required that the whole image be processed which added significant processing time to complete the job. TIFF's on the other hand were much easier to deal with because they were already binary and did not require them to be processed as heavily.

It was also the case that EPS's were able to have OPI comments embedded more easily. TIFF's were a bit more complex but doable. TIFF's also were able to hold clipping paths. They have been able to for a long time, but the feature itself was never really implemented by developers until relatively recently. EPS files also have the benefit of not allowing other applications to manipulate colors via color management.

EPS's also suffered from a problem of having other EPS files placed within them, "nested EPS's" which could cause all sorts of output problems. Not all EPS's are created equally or well. This problem has pretty much eliminated itself.

Overall in general EPS's are just as effective and usable as TIFF's.
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:24 PM
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Thanks for the clarification, Matt.

In my circumstances (newspaper industry) I try to avoid EPSs because the sales reps/editors/other plebs without Photoshop often can't view EPSs. For example, I don't think Windows Picture Viewer can preview an EPS file.
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Old 07-08-2007, 10:06 AM
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TIFF vs. EPS

Photoshop EPS' are also handy because of the ability to "Include Vector Data".

We have a couple of customers that don't understand the concept of a page layout application and will supply us with layered PSD or TIFF images. Thankfully they usually give them to us with native vector text layers that have not been rasterized.

We will then re-save the files as EPS' with the Include Vector Data function. This allows the RIP to process the edges of the text at the LW resolution (1200, 2400, 2540, etc.).

Most RIPs will not treat the text layers of PSDs or TIFFs as vector, thus they become rasterized and soft.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:34 AM
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Most RIPs will not treat the text layers of PSDs or TIFFs as vector, thus they become rasterized and soft.
I don't like the idea of sending out layered files to press unless the designs calls for extra color on a separate plate or something. I like the practice of flattening all artworks to avoid unpredictable results at press.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:50 AM
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Overall in general EPS's are just as effective and usable as TIFF's.
I agree with EPS having the advantage in OPI/FPO workflow, but I'm at a new job where we embedded all hi-res artworks. EPS seems to offer no obvious advantage over flattened TIF files.
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Old 07-09-2007, 06:38 AM
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We mostly use .psd files. Except with Quark. (I'm saying that more and more... "except Quark")

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Old 07-13-2007, 02:02 AM
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yes psd is the new black

illy is ok with it
indy is ok with it
quark tries to be ok with it


rather than just saying you dont like to send certain files to whoever, try asking them what THEY would like you to send, and why. proofing is always available for checks

its a communication industry - communicate with people providing a service
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