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Old 07-06-2006, 07:03 AM
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User Library moved to desktop

I've either just witnessed a new feature of the Mac OS, or just plain stupid operator error.

Yesterday I was called upon to assist "the new guy" who was having problems with the network (ie: couldn't print, couldn't use Internet/email). It was narrowed down to a problem with the actual connections: cables, router, etc. He reset the router and then restarted the Mac.

When the Mac restarted it was set with factory defaults: desktop pic was gone, dock was at Apple default, Thunderbird was prompting new account setup upon launch, etc and there was a folder called Library sitting on the desktop.

When I later arrived in person to check out the problem, I found that the admin user's Library (there is only one account on this machine, running 10.3.9) was sitting on the desktop and there was a new Library folder on the root of the hard drive where it belongs, but with only about ten directories in it that had all been created within the past two hours.

After poking through the folders of this new Library, I decided it was okay to overwrite it with the original Library sitting on the desktop. I had to reboot in OS9 to do this (dual boot machine), and everything seemed fine after that.

Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Or is someone not telling me the whole story of what happened...
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Old 07-06-2006, 07:35 AM
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from where i'm sitting it sounds like a cluster f•ck, and someone is covering up.

I've never seen that happen - not that it COULDN'T - I've just never heard of it or seen it. OSX can do some strange things sometimes but that screws everything up.

Accidents can happen though, and it may not have been deliberate - i'd probably gauge the competency and skills of the operator and judge it on it's merits.
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Re: User Library moved to desktop

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I've either just witnessed a new feature of the Mac OS\


it's a feature alright...


it's the new keyboard/monitor interface user thingie...









(hint: it's the operator)
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Old 07-06-2006, 11:28 AM
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Sounds to me like an ID-10-T error. I can see how if you were dragging a folder out of the HD you may accidently get an extra folder or 2 selected but still...
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I told one of my designers he couldn't change the short name of his computer. He fould out he "could".
I ended up with the same mess and did a re-install. The computer was only a few days old though.
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Thank you for your support. I slightly suspected the keyboard/monitor interface user problem, but I'm not here to point fingers or say

WTF were you thinking???!!!
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I was out of the office for one day and my quark folder ended up in the trash. I called quark tech support, some new feature no doubt, cause no one in the office would admit to it. Damn Quark!
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Re: User Library moved to desktop

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I've either just witnessed a new feature of the Mac OS, or just plain stupid operator error.

Yesterday I was called upon to assist "the new guy" who was having problems with the network (ie: couldn't print, couldn't use Internet/email). It was narrowed down to a problem with the actual connections: cables, router, etc. He reset the router and then restarted the Mac.

When the Mac restarted it was set with factory defaults: desktop pic was gone, dock was at Apple default, Thunderbird was prompting new account setup upon launch, etc and there was a folder called Library sitting on the desktop.
All those types of settings are stored in the /Users/~/Library/ folder, where "~" is the short username of the user in question. That's also referred to as the Library folder in the "user domain". There should also be a Library folder, /Library/, on the root level of the hard drive which is referred to as the Library folder in the "local domain". The local domain contains items that are available to all users. For example, there's normally a couple hundred MBs of stuff in /Library/Application Support/Adobe/ for Adobe applications.


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When I later arrived in person to check out the problem, I found that the admin user's Library (there is only one account on this machine, running 10.3.9) was sitting on the desktop and there was a new Library folder on the root of the hard drive where it belongs, but with only about ten directories in it that had all been created within the past two hours.
The admin user's /Library/ folder (in other words, of the user domain) belongs inside his or her user folder, at /Users/~/Library/; the /Library/ folder on the root level of the hard drive (in other words, of the local domain) is something completely different. Even if there is only one user, and that user is an admin user, they'll still have a Library folder within their user folder where all their personal settings are saved (in other words, settings that pertain only to their account aren't saved in /Library/ just because she/he's the only user).

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After poking through the folders of this new Library, I decided it was okay to overwrite it with the original Library sitting on the desktop. I had to reboot in OS9 to do this (dual boot machine), and everything seemed fine after that.
It sounds to me like what he did was drag his /Users/~/Library/ folder to his Desktop. That would simply move the folder there. On a restart, a new Library folder would be created at /Users/~/ and it would be filled with default settings.

If you attempt to rename or to drag the Library folder at the root level of the hard drive to a different location, you should be prompted for a password to do so. That's because the "BSD sticky bit" is set for the root level of the hard drive. An item in a directory whose sticky bit is set can only be removed or renamed by a user if the user has both write permission for the directory in question and the user is the owner of the item that's to be removed or renamed. The only exception to that is if the user is the "root" user (a.k.a. "System Administrator" or "system"), since the root user can do anything. If a user is a user with administrator privileges, they'll have write access to the root level of the hard drive. The /Library/ folder, however, is owned by "system", so you can't move that folder without authenticating to elevate your privileges in order to perform that operation. This prompt for a password basically serves as an extra caution so that you think about what you're doing.

While it's possible that he moved the /Library/ folder to his Desktop, he wouldn't have lost all of his settings, since they're stored in the /Users/~/Library/ folder. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you may want to make sure that didn't overwrite the items in the root /Library/ folder with the items from what was his /Users/~/Library/ folder on the Desktop.

Hope this helps....
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:12 PM
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Thanks for that lengthy reply.

I suspect this person decided to move the Library folder to the desktop. Why? No idea.

However, would the OS even let you move it while you're logged into that account? I won't try it to find out.

Bottom line is: just tell the truth, people. If you're screwing around on the computer and you don't know exactly what you're doing and then something bad happens - just explain yourself so the problem can get fixed. And don't ever do it again!
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Old 07-13-2006, 01:41 PM
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why does this dumbass have admin privledges? Setup a new Standard account on there for this guy. I dont have a single user that has admin rights... why should they?
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