Panther vs UMAX with SCSI card

[Sparky]

I swear I already posted this thread, but if not I will explain.
We use a G3-450 / OS 9.2.2 / Adpatec 2930CU scsi card / UMAX Powerlook III scanner / Magicscan 4.5 / Photoshop 7. All works just fine.
Upgraded to Panther 10.3.4 / G4-800 Sonnet CPU upgrade / sane scanner / same scsi card / Photoshop CS ? NO SCANNER SEEN!!
After researching on line and seeing a bunch of finger pointing I finally got this from UMAX:

Dear Mr. Lager:

Good morning. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. There are no
drivers for your scanner in OS X. The scanner is compatible up to OS 9.2.
You may be able to reboot to OS 9 by changing your startup disk if that
option is available on your mac. The OS 9 Classic emulation will not work.
Drivers may be found at www.umax.com/download . However, there is software
called Silverfast SE 6 available for purchase at our website. It costs only
$49 and will enable you to run up to OS 10.3 with a Belkin SCSI to Firewire
converter. Please read all the technical specifications at the link below
(you may need to copy and paste the link into your address field on your
browser):

http://www.umax.com/scanners/index.j...ng+Software&sk
unum=SFTW-62904

To run in 10.3, you will need to purchase the converter separately. The
Belkin SCSI to Firewire converter part number is F5U541 and may be found at
the link below (you may need to copy and paste the link into your address
field on your browser):

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...=&Section_Id=1
967&pcount=&Product_Id=100393

Thank you for your time and have a good day.

Best Regards,
Steven R.
UMAX Care Tech Support

What I find interesting though is that he says it's supported up to OS 9. Well I am using 10.2.8 Jaguar at home with this exact setup and it works fine! go figure!

So I guess the Belkin is the answer. I really don't want to replace what I feel is one of the best flatbed scanners on the market.

Consider this Thread an FYI for anyone else who has this scanner 8O

[Cory]

I ran into the same thing at home with our powerlook II

We ended up buying a 3rd party driver called Silverfast to do our scanning..

think we paid about $100 for it. Wasn't happy about it, but it's nice to have the scanner working again.

[Sparky]

Cory, SilverFast is to OS X as MagicScan was to OS 9. Is your Powerlook II a scsi connection? if so are you using Jaguar or Panther at home?
I get Silverfast to work in Jaguar but not in Panther.
:cry:

[Cory]

SCSI Connection / Panther / Silverfast.

http://www.silverfast.com/show/silverfast-se/en.html

was just looking at their list...doesn't appear to support the PL III, only the I & II

it does look like their higher end Silverfast AI does support the PL III

[jim_t]

Hey Sparky- Here's a couple of things you might want to check.
Check that CS has the twain module in the correct folder. Update magicscan with the latest patches. I'm assuming that all your firmware and OS patches have been applied. I'd stay away from the converters they usually hurt more than they help. Additionally check your SCSI termination to make sure that it is indeed properly terminated.

[Sparky]

OK lets try to clear this up

1. Same G3 computer 2 different internal drives one with OS 9 EVERYTHING works one with OS X (Panther) Scanner NOT recognized

2. yes the termination is OK it works in OS 9

3. Magicscan does not go beyond 4.5 and only works in OS 9 (I use it already)

4. SilverFast is not the fix all everyone thinks. It is scanning software and has a plugin that is used in Photoshop.

5. OmniPage X also will not recognize the scanner, so no more OCR

When I say the Powerlook III is not seen by Panther, what part of NOT SEEN do you guys not understand???
UMAX says they do not support Panther with the Powerlook III
UMAX says to use "Classic" to scan, I do this already!!

I'm buying the Belkin ? Its returnable ? its cheap ? If it doesn't work ? I don't migrate to OSX Plain and simple
OS 9 works, we make money, why fix what's not broke.

[almaink]

I just replaced my Powerlook II because of lack of Umax support and a distain for the 3rd party software and a need for it at all (how hard is it to port the Linux version of MagicScan).
I got an Epson Perfection 4870 PRO that blows that old UMAX away. It's faster ( Firewire or USB) and the color out of the box is better than I ever got tweeking the PL scans. BTW Sparky your PLIII is only supported upto Jag10.2.x .None of Umax's current scanners work with Panther. I tried everything to get this POS UMAX to work in OSX without any luck even tried the Unix Sane Sane experiment, but the good news is like I posted the Epson for a 1/4 of the cost of the Umax is a far superior scanner and sure to be supported by Epson.

[jim_t]

Sparky you really should do your homework before trying to come off as the all knowing. Here are a few things that you obviously don't understand.


1. Same G3 computer 2 different internal drives one with OS 9 EVERYTHING works one with OS X (Panther) Scanner NOT recognized

Users here tell you it doesnt work in Panther, the manufacturer tells you it doesnt work in Panther -- if you have it working in Panther replicate what you have - obviously you're much smarter than the programmers at UMAX and i'm sure you'll be only too happy to tell them that.

2. yes the termination is OK it works in OS 9

SCSI termination has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with an operating system

3. Magicscan does not go beyond 4.5 and only works in OS 9 (I use it already)

GOT THIS OFF A WEBSITE
Magicscan version Mac OS 9.n Windows
4.5 all except P1120 & P1000 all except P1120 & P1000
4.6 all except P1000 P1120 (only)
4.71 All PowerLooks P1000 (only)

4. SilverFast is not the fix all everyone thinks. It is scanning software and has a plugin that is used in Photoshop.

We're only trying to offer up options no one said you had to use them.

5. OmniPage X also will not recognize the scanner, so no more OCR

Of course it won't recognize it -- your system is telling it there is no scanner.

When I say the Powerlook III is not seen by Panther, what part of NOT SEEN do you guys not understand???
UMAX says they do not support Panther with the Powerlook III
UMAX says to use "Classic" to scan, I do this already!!

For someone who outputs to a 2up platesetter running obsolete equipment in what most of us here would laugh at in terms of calling it a "workflow" your arrogance is only matched by your total lack of understanding of more complex issues that most larger shops deal with on a daily basis. The sad part of this whole thing is in your mind you think you're a highly skilled professional who dispenses his wisdom upon us little folk. I'd bet my next paycheck that put you in a shop with an 8up platesetter or imagesetter workflow you'd be so damn lost it wouldn't be funny.

Now I'm sure you're going to attempt to reply with some witty smartass answer but to be quiet honest from reading your posts in the past to other people you need to talk less and listen more.

schools out junior

[Sparky]

1. Same G3 computer 2 different internal drives one with OS 9 EVERYTHING works one with OS X (Panther) Scanner NOT recognized

Users here tell you it doesn't work in Panther, the manufacturer tells you it doesn't work in Panther -- if you have it working in Panther replicate what you have - obviously you're much smarter than the programmers at UMAX and I'm sure you'll be only too happy to tell them that.

what kind of drunken stupor are you in??? Where do I say I have it working in Panther???
When booted in OS 9 the system works.......
When booted in OS X Panther it doesn't work......... read the damn post before you go off on somebody

The rest of your idiotic ramblings don't even deserve response :evil:

Smart Ass? you're damn right. So tell me how to program a Mizomex, or set imposition on a Scitex, or compose complex masking on a Gerber Plotter. They may be antiquated but but they taught me my trade, and yes I have paginated 32 pg sigs and laid out 115 out labels for a 50" press. Pal I've probably forgotten more than you'll ever learn.

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by jim_t

Hey Sparky- Here's a couple of things you might want to check.
Check that CS has the twain module in the correct folder. Update magicscan with the latest patches. I'm assuming that all your firmware and OS patches have been applied. I'd stay away from the converters they usually hurt more than they help. Additionally check your SCSI termination to make sure that it is indeed properly terminated.

2. yes the termination is OK it works in OS 9

SCSI termination has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with an operating system

So why do you ask to check it?