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Old 10-19-2005, 01:32 PM
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Maybe get some bindery action going also! Oh ya and don't forget the poor overworked and overpaid salespeople. Now if you had a site for sales folks that would no doubt be very quiet or downright dead.
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Old 10-19-2005, 05:52 PM
 
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I've seen forums try and tackle too many topics and it seems the information gets so spread out, that the activity dies.
I'm with that idea. It's kinda nice to have the focused attention of only (for the most part) prepress here.... and I'd be bummed if this site started to suck. Just my .02
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:04 PM
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If you let any of the pressmen from my shop try to touch a computer world war III would be imminent.
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:55 PM
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Now if you had a site for sales folks that would no doubt be very quiet or downright dead.
Are you kidding?? Everybody knows that sale-slime love to hear themselves speaking! A forum for them would likely cripple the entire 'net with all of their spewing about their fantastic achievements, and how much their clients LOVE them for being just the best freakin' thing since the Etch-a-Sketch.
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:12 AM
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Listen, y'all,

It doesn't matter what department, you have real smart guys, and you have stupid gorillas that wouldn't know a bannana if you put it right in front of them.

As for pressmen, especially multicolor large sheetfed operators, or web press teams, there wouldn't be a business if they didn't do everything they could to deliver the highest quality product possible. They got anywhere from 4 to 8 units, sometimes more, running simultaneously, and they have to ensure that all those units are maintaining color to within +/- .05 points, or tighter, and a dot gain within as tight a control. If they don't keep that tight control, throughout the run, the product that is produced is crappy, the customer is unhappy, and the company suffers because they have to rerun the job.

Think color correction. You modify files until you get the color right, and then you're done. Nice color.

But when the pressman runs your nice color, he has to keep control over many different variables on the fly, or nice color won't matter for nothing.

As for prepress, I appreciate operators that know and understand the processes that go on after the job leaves Prep. These are people that know why something didn't work on press, and are very instrumental in bringing about a quick resolution to the problem. Usually, they can see the problem before it ever leaves Prep, and fix it before it does get out to the press.

There are a whole lot of people in Prep these days, especially here, who could care less what happens after they send a job on. Some are 'puter geeks who only know what goes on on their screen ... but they don't know, nor do they care to know, what goes on, or how the process works, in the pressroom, and why they even have a job there. Others are just plain morons that hate graphics and everything to do with it ... I don't know how they keep their jobs.

I think that, for every new prep operator hired, a wise manager would thoroughly assess whether a prospect understands the printing processes or not. They might have the best 'puter skills ... but if they don't fully understand 4/c process, I'd have them spend a week or two in the pressroom as a prerequisite, talking with the pressmen, seeing how it all works ... even loading a skid or two of stock wouldn't hurt, just to drive home the point.

RESPECT the pressmen in your shop ... without them doing the best job they can, not to put too fine a point on it, your product is crap, you'll loose your customers, and you might as well close your doors.
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Old 10-20-2005, 06:26 AM
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Now if you had a site for sales folks that would no doubt be very quiet or downright dead.
Are you kidding?? Everybody knows that sale-slime love to hear themselves speaking! A forum for them would likely cripple the entire 'net with all of their spewing about their fantastic achievements, and how much their clients LOVE them for being just the best freakin' thing since the Etch-a-Sketch.
Your right, if it is their own forum--mixed with people who produce and create however, folks would dig them a new ahole and the result would be a very quiet catagory in Prepressforums.
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Old 10-20-2005, 07:10 AM
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Adding to what shaunmac says, I strongly believe the future of prepress wil be the press itself. The future pressman will also be the prepress person using technology in the works right now. Bottom line is, in the future everything will truly be direct to press and as time goes by a stand alone prepress as we know it will deminish.
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Hmmmmm - I don't know, I think you will always need us in between the customer/file supplied and the press.

How else would it make it to the press/plates imposed and set up correct to color seperate etc. Nevermind if someone needs design/layout services.
I think we will be the last to go. Just my .02.

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Old 10-20-2005, 07:36 AM
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How else would it make it to the press/plates imposed and set up correct to color seperate etc. Nevermind if someone needs design/layout services.
I think we will be the last to go. Just my .02.
This is not really the place but all of the above is currently possible on-line without any user intervention..........
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Old 10-20-2005, 07:38 AM
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There will be no more plates and the imposition will be done at the press and maybe no more trapping involved. Prepress I think will morph into something different, like offering other services, design of all kinds, communications, file organinzation, archiveing etc...
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