Prepressforums.com - Going Prinergy? Don't give up your Brisque

alfiewoof · #1 (**permalink**) 04-25-2007, 04:34 PM

We made the Brisque to Prinergy transition 6 months ago. The transition was very smooth, no problems and increased productivity. Everyone is very impressed with the workflow and easy of the transition, but there are some workflows that the Brisque seems to perform better than Prinergy. We have kept our Brisque and FAF/Presstouch software (on the Mac) just in case.
We have used the Brisque to RIP some jobs that we had a hard time with in Prinergy (heavily layered Illustrator files (maps), some transparency issues and jobs that only Presstouch edits could deal with along with some other issues) these files are then brought into Prinergy and refined. One job in Prinergy hung up with trapping which we were able to do with FAF in Presstouch in 30 seconds. We have only used the Brisque once or twice a month but it has been a lifesafer to have a fast work around to get to press. I'm not saying that these problems could not be done in Prinergy but we did not have time for a sevice call and sending them to the Brisque just seemed easier.

tbJAMMIN · #2 (**permalink**) 04-25-2007, 05:15 PM

I keep both Prinergy 3.0 and 3.1 going for the same reason. Two different RIPs will definitely get through those wierd problems that are never the customers fault. In my case even different versions of the same Adobe RIP have made all the difference. I am not sure, but I think Brisque is some sort of Scitex RIP.

But, I haven't seen anything yet that has failed to RIP that also doesn't have an obvious problem opening in Acrobat. But it is really nice being able to try a different RIP before you start going into workaround mode.

That being said, I would never pull one of my older RIPs out of mothballs (Harlequins mostly) to try to troubleshoot a PDF, I would work on the PDF.

born2print · #3 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 09:50 AM

Dang, I've been affraid of issues like this. To explain, we're switching this summer and it's my understanding that the Brisque servers, etc... will get pulled out as soon as possible, leaving us with only Prinergy.
I appreciate these posts so much, I want to have an open mind and good attitude for the switch, but I also want to be informed and save being blindsided.

ps: Brisque is in fact Scitex tech (CT & LW based) that is now EndOfLife in favor of Creo (Kodak's) Prinergy tech. Just FYI.

alfiewoof · #4 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 12:38 PM

Not to worry, Kodak doesn't want your old Brisque equipment back. They should let you keep whatever you want.

born2print · #5 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alfiewoof

Not to worry, Kodak doesn't want your old Brisque equipment back. They should let you keep whatever you want.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I think it goes to a "less fortunate" sister plant elsewhere in the corporation.

SlaveToTheMan · #6 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 01:54 PM

We're starting to look at the Switch too, this is indeed good to pass along. Thx for the heads up alfie!

tbJAMMIN · #7 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 02:39 PM

With all of this said, I would not recommend implementing a plan to be able to utilize two differnet workflows. Confusion is the enemy in prepress, figure out workarounds in the system that everyone is using and don't confuse things.

born2print · #8 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tbJAMMIN

With all of this said, I would not recommend implementing a plan to be able to utilize two differnet workflows. Confusion is the enemy in prepress, figure out workarounds in the system that everyone is using and don't confuse things.

I think this is (exactly) the attitude of our corporation, and they've been through many many switches already. Plus, I've seen it myself, if you leave the crutches, they don't learn to walk.
We had this happen when we tried to go from no workflow to Rampage YEARS ago, and instead of making a clean break and immersing ourselves in Rampage, we retreated to the direct to imagesetter workflow at the first sign of adversity...
The result was a failed attempt to switch to Rampage.

alfiewoof · #9 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 03:47 PM

100% of our jobs go through Prinergy it's just the problem files (.01%) that we send to the Brisque then refine with Prinergy. We are not giving up on Prinergy just using another tool to get the job done. Our Brisque is not hooked up to any output device.
There is a printer in our area that processes large map with lots of layers, they tried using Prinergy, jobs were having to process overnight. By using the Brisque and rasterizing the files they have no problems.
I will use whatever tools I have to solve problems and keep the presses running.

InvisSoul · #10 (**permalink**) 04-26-2007, 09:50 PM

We switched a few months from Brisque to Prinergy. We kept the Brisque for about 2 months for the older archived jobs we had and working out the color issues on archived jobs that we were going to run through Prinergy.

Now we have gotten rid of the Brisque completely and jsut have Prinergy. Some of the CEPS (archived jobs) have a few issues but it's about 1% if that of the CEPS jobs.