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Luxtable · #1 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 08:54 AM

I dont know if this is a preps problem but i would like to solve it at the preps stage. When i impose a book for example in preps sometimes where the pages of the imposition come together (example: if its a 16 page book, page 1 and 16), the bleed from the indesign spread (page 1 and 2, where they come together) seems to come into that imposition, just a hair.. the only way i could figure out to get rid of this is to change the psti in insight, or nudge the pages in preps.. has anyone came across this and has a fix... Please help!!??

Markbo · #2 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 02:27 PM

Yes, I don't know why others aren't jumping up and down about this issue. We have an open suport call with Kodak about this. No solution yet.

We have our guys pull apart facing pages as to net get incorrect bleed objects on the page. It's a big PITA.

Maybe if enough people complain, it will get fixed....

BigD · #3 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 03:13 PM

I am pretty sure there was a config hack for that problem when i was using Preps 4.x.x

posterized_child · #4 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 03:21 PM

What kind of file are you imposing -- pdf? postscript?

We also use Preps (recently upgraded to 5.2) but I don't recall having the problem you describe. We usually print from Indesign to our Nexus RIP and impose low-res eps links. I'd like to try to reproduce this problem.

JoePixel · #5 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 04:27 PM

Just to make sure here... You aren't using independent pages in Preps are you?

What happens if you click on the page in Preps and set the bleed on each page at the gutter to be 0 inches? Does this help?

trzmielina · #6 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 06:08 PM

Quit Preps first.

Open in Word (or any text editor) the file under Preps > Profiles > named default.cfg and change:

-PRECISION:YES
-ADJUSTPRECISION:0.0000

Launch Preps.

Rebuld the Template and try again.

Good luck.

Ricardo Trzmielina

Luxtable · #7 (**permalink**) 10-30-2006, 08:31 PM

Thanks for all the tips... guys.. I will try the edit in word first.. that sounds like the fix i was looking for..... Im using an older version of Preps.. im not sure what version though (Ill make sure to check tomorrow.)... but these are from riped ps files with links place in preps on imposed pages.. .no independent pages.. I have tried to set blee to 0 on the inside of these spreads with no difference, still a problem. I will try the word fix tomorrow and see if that works... If it does i will post that it works.. and try to get a sticky for the fix..... I really thought that this would have been a bigger issue that it is in here...

DCurry · #8 (**permalink**) 10-31-2006, 05:09 AM

Here's another reason and solution from Creo's eCentral (article #80149):

Quote:

Symptom

Complete Title: QuarkXPress PostScript Files: Objects Bleeding Off the Spine Edge Partially Appear on Abutting Pages

Regardless of the unit of measure used in QuarkXPress®, only whole Adobe® points (72 points = 1 inch) are used when writing the PostScript® file. Some page sizes in QuarkXPress equal an even number of points.

Cause

For example, letter size (8.5"x11") equals exactly 612 x 792 points. Other page sizes do not convert to an even number of points, such as A4 (8.268" x 11.693" or 210 mm x 297 mm), which equals 595.296 x 841.896 points. When writing to PostScript, QuarkXPress rounds the position of their page crop marks for an A4 page to 595 x 842 points. If facing pages are used, the right-hand facing page begins where the left-hand page ends (.296 points short), causing portions of items from the left-hand page to appear along the left edge of the right-hand page. Under these conditions, images appear as thin lines on some of the press sheet pages in Preps.

Solution

The following are three different workarounds for this problem:

1. Resize the original QuarkXPress pages to a custom page size equal to whole Adobe® points, then reposition items on those pages accordingly, or

2. Rearrange the QuarkXPress job in such a way that facing pages are not used, or

3. In Preps, set page offsets to compensate for the rounding of the page sizes. In the example, that is an offset of -.296 points for all odd pages other than page 1.

Luxtable · #9 (**permalink**) 10-31-2006, 12:12 PM

Ricardo,
Thanks for the help.. It seems to have worked... So this will not fix templates that have been made before this config tweak???

Thanks again

trzmielina · #10 (**permalink**) 10-31-2006, 03:09 PM

I am glad it helped.

For your question, still not proven...

Ultimately, it is up to you to decide if you want to risk it from happening again or keep going through all your templates "as needed" and rebuild them. It depends on how many templates you have vs. the amount of risk you are willing to take.

I've seen it fixing the problem without rebuilding the template, but also saw instances where rebuilding templates was necessary (more so if you use legacy templates from older versions of Preps). I don't think Scitex/Creo/Kodak has a final answer for this question. If you ask it, then the answer will be "yes, rebuild them..."

Also, keep in mind the workaround provided above for Quark files - very important.