PDF with Bleeds?

[tequillajane]

I am trying to see if this is a rip issue or an exporting to PDF issue.
Here is our problem:
In Indesign, exporting to a Press ready PDF, in order to allow the Photo's to include bleed, we have to make the PDF with bleed allowed?
Why is this? Should'nt we be able to make one, and retain that info.
Right now, we have to make it with Document Bleed selected, and then go in and crop to actual size within Acrobat.
If we don't do this, when we rip the PDF in Rampage, it oversizes and includes the crops and bleeds inside the document size.
Anyone else see this happening?
What are your exporting with bleed methods?

Should I cross-post to the Rampage groups as well?

[pmkprog]

You should have no problem telling InDesign how much bleed you want and make sure that all of you marks are off.
I would start using the Press Ready PDf setting as your basis, modify it to be what you want it to be, and then save that preset as something like "bleed w/o marks".
Open the PDF in Acrobat and you should have what you want.

[tequillajane]

That is what we are currently doing, but it actually makes the document size appear larger in our rip. the document in Indesign is 5.5 wide with .125 inch bleed on both sides.
When ripped without bleeding edges, it reads as 5.5 wide
When ripped with bleeds in PDF it actually adds that to the width and says our page is 5.75 wide
I've been trying multiple different ways of doing this and can't come up wih anything other than the page being left oversized.
Problem is, that our imposition guys/girls aren't really thrilled with that.
I'm just trying to find a way of eliminating it if we don't need it there.

[pmkprog]

If the file needs to include bleeds, then the 5.75" size is correct.
How is that a problem for the people doing the impositions?

They either need bleed and the pages are "oversized" or they get them without bleed and they match the trim size.

What are they using to impose the pages?

[mattbeals]

Originally Posted by tequillajane

I am trying to see if this is a rip issue or an exporting to PDF issue.
Here is our problem:
In Indesign, exporting to a Press ready PDF, in order to allow the Photo's to include bleed, we have to make the PDF with bleed allowed?
Why is this? Should'nt we be able to make one, and retain that info.
Right now, we have to make it with Document Bleed selected, and then go in and crop to actual size within Acrobat.
If we don't do this, when we rip the PDF in Rampage, it oversizes and includes the crops and bleeds inside the document size.
Anyone else see this happening?
What are your exporting with bleed methods?

Should I cross-post to the Rampage groups as well?

Document setup should be set to trim sizes.In that same dialog box you can set the bleed amount to .125 inches. When exporting with "press quality" make sure that the bleed is set to 9pts symmetrically. You may also want to crop image data to frames. It is perfectly safe to include the trim marks and page information as part of the PDF. Even if you don't include the marks InDesign will still include the respective page boxes. It sounds more like that the wrong page boxes are being used for imposition.

How is the imposition stage handled?

[Joe]

Originally Posted by pmkprog

If the file needs to include bleeds, then the 5.75" size is correct.
How is that a problem for the people doing the impositions?

They either need bleed and the pages are "oversized" or they get them without bleed and they match the trim size.

What are they using to impose the pages?

Agreed. trim = 5.5 + .125 bleed * 2 side = 5.75. If the doc size stays at 5.5 you are left with...trim size.