What the? Is this for real?

[soilworker]

Okay, let's start at the top. Prepress_Brillance. You are correct. We do need to change with the times. And I'm sure in time it will happen. But in the mean time things are just irritating at least in premedia and mostly for me because I get stuck with the stuff no one can figure out. I have really pushed for some things and I've stepped on many people toes. But, it was for the best and everyone is happy now with the changes I've made. As for using some of the new formats I'm sure it would be for the better but there are reasons why they won't. Not yet at least. A lot of $ is invested in certainly (older) technologies that have always worked and they are very, very apprehensive about dishing out more money until we have to. Though I do happen to agree that it should happen. I don't need to get into specifics though. The short of what I'm saying is you are right.

Beermonster..... it sounds like you were in my head while I was troubleshooting this one. That's all how I came upon the culprit. I'm pretty sure that Indy isn't corrupt and I repair my permissions at least once a week as part of my preventative maintenance routine. As far as the rotation and scaling go, they are just 5 degrees and 167%. But like I said I can get it to work with the same measurements etc as long as it's not where it is. The idea of redrawing the clipping path crossed my mind although I've been avoiding it. I hate drawing them. But I can try it because nothing else works. I know that the person that originally drew it sets his flatness to 2. Perhaps that will work. I'll give it a try a bit later.

Well.... I'm very intrigued myself because I know how stupid all this sounds. It's very bizare indeed. It should work. I'll certainly keep everyone posted though.

Thanks Again,
~Soilworker

[cari]

Thanks for your great responses, soilworker :-)

And we have millions of images as .EPS from over the years and updating them all would be insane.

I'm not suggesting you do... Those EPS-es are perfectly valid files to use, and I don't think Adobe software will stop supporting EPS file format. However, with the introduction of transparency elements in workflows it would be better to work with 'raw' Illustrator files. :-)

As to workflow changes in a large work environment :-)
That does make things much more difficult I agree.... I do work within the Newspaper industry a fair bit here... and can tell you that EPS is still very much alive :-) esp. for use in older pagination systems... And changing front-ends isn't always possible if the back-ends aren't up to it.

Also I know it is difficult to change the way in which people work. The saying "old habits die hard" really is true. People know what works, and what they are comfortable with. However changing technology will result in things not working the "old ways", and rather than trying to reshape new things in to older workflows, I would, from a management point of view, always propose reviewing workflows... Which can be a big expense and big overhall, but in the long-run it can also mean: Less down-time due to issues, and higher productivity, i.e. more effective and efficient workflows :-) In doing so, the importance of staff training must not be underestimated, I have seen transitions work well...

Ok, I am the ETERNAL optimist when it comes to stuff like this... And must admit I'm a little on the outside as a consultant... Always easier to give advice if you're not the person dealing with the actual issues :-)

[cari]

Soilworker to review your issue with the image again.

have you tried the following:

File > Export to InDesign Interchange format (.inx)

Then reopening the .inx in InDesign? And trying again from the newly created file?

I'm wonder whether some wierd glitch just got in somehow, that a document 'rebuild' might fix? The problem really sounds bizarre, esp. as resizing, moving fixes the issue.

[prepress_brillance_43]

.inx files are not really all that reliable. IMHO. :?

...but worth trying I suppose. Anythings possible with a freaked out issue like this.

[soilworker]

Finally, I finally got this evil thing to work. I can't be certain exactly what the problem was but I know what I did to solve it. I rebuilt the image from scratch.... took the original .tiff and made all the alterations, redrew the clipping path, pre-scaled and rotated it, replaced it in ID in a new image box..... and it worked. It just baffles me because the original image that gave me all the trouble did work, just not where I wanted it to. Well, this one is finally over with... thank you all for all your help.

It's not over yet..... follow me to a new post to find out about an even worse (yes, I said it's worse) problem I've encountered with INDY.......

Ciao,
~Soilworker