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Joe · #11 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 10:35 PM

This PDF by Adobe is current through CS2 but it's still relevant. Give it a look:

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/cr...ansparency.pdf

Blasky · #12 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 11:08 PM

EPS and Postscript have had their day. Don't go learning to much about flattening as it is fast becoming a thing of the past. In the next 12 months your RIP supplier will be knocking on your door with a total PDF RIP solution that will mean nothing needs to flattened ever again.

Joe · #13 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Blasky

EPS and Postscript have had their day. Don't go learning to much about flattening as it is fast becoming a thing of the past. In the next 12 months your RIP supplier will be knocking on your door with a total PDF RIP solution that will mean nothing needs to flattened ever again.

Quark begs to differ.

beermonster · #14 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 12:51 AM

quote :Quark begs to differ

haaaa! really? haaaaa - cracked me up!

keep you illy files as ia files and export a pdf copy out - 1.4 onwards keeps live transparency - press quality or pdfx/1 will be good enough mstly - and place in indy - its a very good way to go. transparency will be less of an issue soon, but for now it can bite.

if your coworkers "wont" adopt these new practises, well - its my guess they will be left behind very soon - by you, as it seems you have a good attitude towards learning <not being patronising>, so keep it up!

seriously - you wont find a better place than here at PPF - there's few issues that some of these guys n gals cant fix - which is priceless! real world experience against the "wont adopt new methods" mentality - you'll win every time

C2C · #15 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 04:48 AM

Joe: Thanks for the link. Ill be printing this out too
(I prefer to have a binder of stuff and update it as I go)

Beer: I hope so. What yourself and 99.9% of the members here mention makes sense to me (even if im dim on issues such as transparency) and I appreciate the 'real world' input from other operators.
I need to compile all my pdf info into one spot. atm its all bookmarks and random copy/pasted bits of info

"EPS and Postscript have had their day. Don't go learning to much about flattening as it is fast becoming a thing of the past. In the next 12 months your RIP supplier will be knocking on your door with a total PDF RIP solution that will mean nothing needs to flattened ever again."

Who says my company will upgrade and adapt?
We seem very behind the times in our Prepress room..in regards to trying new methods, and keeping current with more reliable and secure ways to output files...

We dont even download and run the updates to our applications since I was told ' it will only mess things up and change settings '
*how... 'I dont even have a word to go here'*

None of our operators inc myself have ever had training in some of the applications we use daily *(Indesign for ex)*.............. sadly.
And the only thing about output I have been told is how to make Postscripts from Indy and Quark. (which I knew how to do anyhow) and how to place DCS files into Quark and output as a postscript.

Were getting more and more pdfs in but we just keep opening them in Illy and re-saving as a ESP (again.. how I was taught, and god forbid I vary in method)

Speaking of Quark, we just purchased Quark 7... it is still in the box, 2 weeks later.
Waiting for our new Mac to be setup and have CS3 Suite installed, alongside everything else by our """ Computer Tech """ who doesnt know a thing about Macs (you read that right) So one of our operators sets up the Macs here since she owns one... (shes been on VAC... lucky!!!)

Blasky · #16 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by C2C

Who says my company will upgrade and adapt?
We seem very behind the times in our Prepress room..in regards to trying new methods, and keeping current with more reliable and secure ways to output files...

Printers are always reluctant to invest, but I bet you have CTP (I hope you do!). Given the choice of invest or close, they eventually buckle and invest. Some enlightened competitor will force the issue... or you'll be knocking on their door for a job. Don't sweat it, it'll come.

C2C · #17 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 10:52 AM

We are 99% CTP atm (1% is left over film jobs ... manuals.. seems so..odd to me)

lets hope so

Joe · #18 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 11:06 AM

C2C,

Be careful using these methods that are not approved shop methods where you work. If a screw up happens they'll likely come down hard on you.

Also, I understand you're young-ish and want to be progressive in the way you work. In my younger days I finally figured out that you will never gain the respect of the older employees in your shop until you leave. You'll always be the new, young, no-nothing guy to them. It was that way where I served my apprenticeship. I left and went to work at another shop and after a couple of years I came back to work at that place. The difference was night and day. They treated me as if I was a different person. Not saying you should quit but I'd definitely keep my eyes open after you gain some more experience. Don't be impatient. Your day will come.

C2C · #19 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 11:21 AM

Joe:

Thanks for the advice.

I never plan on doing things 'correctly' here. I have a set standard Ive been told to follow so I do, and for the most part it works... it works damn well.
Ive never seen transparency issues due to saving as PS or Eps and never seen an issue arise from opening pdfs in Illy and editing / saving as Eps.
Not in the last year anyhow.

You are 110% correct that they will come down directly on me and for the most part I am viewed as the no-nothing youngster
(which in most cases is true, i dont have that chip on my shoulder anymore :P I have been humbled in the past few months in regards to Prepress..Ive come to realize i know Jack - Shit.)

Im trying not to be impatient, but its hard.
What would you suggest as a general time to stick around and learn? Ill be going onto year 2 here come March 2008. I figured 3 years would be a start and give me some knowledge

I just wish they would make some attempt to understand the things spoken about in these forums.

and discuss why these methods would or would not work for us.

beermonster · #20 (**permalink**) 08-12-2007, 11:38 PM

mate if they wont you sound like you will - which is better in the long run - learn from here, learn about transparency (for now), pdf print engine, rips, spot colours and flattening, pitstop, die lines, batch processing, screening, workflows - learn what ya can here - it's a huge place for that.

when issues arise from say opening a quark pdf with spot colours and transparency - and it all goes haywire - you can say - place that in indy then! jeez its so simple....

its a progressive (read manic) industry that moves real quick - folks at your place seem a little stuck and surfing on job security - which is probably why they don't like sharing any info with the "noob"

you'll be fine - we're all behind ya - so who's ya money on - PPF or the sad "stuck in the muds"?