Font Problem

[nobell]

Hi,

We have embedded all the fonts in PDF file but we are unable to embedded the subset fonts. Does it affect printing process?

If it affect, then how we embedd subset fonts.

Thanks

[RosieHS]

Enfocus PitStop allows you to embed subset fonts but, you must have the actual font active in order to do so.

[mattbeals]

If the font is subsetted, it is by its very nature embedded. There is little need to fully embed a font. A subsetted font simply includes the characters that are used in the PDF, not the complete character set.

[chris_r]

this has caused me problems in the past, when making text changes to pdf files. i have worked on files with subset fonts that werent fully embedded where i could not make the change since all charecters werent embedded.

cr

[mattbeals]

That's a good thing! You must have a copy of the font loaded on your system in order to edit the text of the PDF. That's an Adobe font licensing policy. Anything other than that is verboten according to the EULA of the fonts and Adobe's policy. Acrobat and PitStop (like all other similary tools) must adhere to that policy.

Get the font from the customer, buy your own if necessary.

I do not recommend unembedding the font and then re embedding if the file is from an external source because of 1, versioning and 2, font versions may result in a conflict. If it is internal, then you most likely own the font and are using the same version to compose the page and edit the PDF. Then it would be safe.

But like I said, there's no real need to fully embedd the font in a PDF. It's a legacy thing that needs to be changed.

[chris_r]

my complaint has nothing to do with owning the fonts, i have access to them all, and if i dont, i do get a new file (always my first choice to begin with). occassionally a job will be on press, with a customer there for approvals, and a typo will be noticed. having the font embedded allows me to quickly and easily make the type change wihtout having to load fonts. i always recommend (rightly or wrongly) fonts to be embedded. i have yet to see an occassion where this has caused me any problems resaving the pdf.

out of curiousity, is there any harm in fully embedding a font? what advantage is there to only subsetting them? im always open for new knowledge!

thanks

cr

[mattbeals]

What advantage is there to subsetting? Smaller PDF, makes more difficult for someone to edit the PDF. Helps make sure that the RIP doesn't substitute it's fonts in leiu of the fonts in the PDF. Yes, it can happen!

[chris_r]

not busting your balls on this matt...seriously, im just curious about this topic. getting pdfs provided to us according to the specs we set forth to customers is an important mission of mine, so i always appreciate different viewpoints. particularly yours, because your threads are always very full of useful info.

i have always come from the viewpoint where i want all my pdfs fat, meaning embedding all fonts and images. can embedding an entire font (or, say 10 fonts, if that is what is being used) increase file size significantly? using the rampage workflow as i do, i seriously have not had any font-swapping problems to this point. They are all embedded, and rampage looks no further than the pdf. are the concerns you mentioned pertaining only to the times when you may need to resave a pdf after making a text change?

cr

[almaink]

OK I have to post my bitch about embedded fonts in PDFs. Some PDF's with fonts embedded by me on my own Mac can't be edited in Acrobat because acording to Pit Stop or Acrobat they are not installed on my system. WTF! I embedded them myself>HTF can they not be installed?
If I unenbed them and reembed with Pit Stop all the punuation turns to boxes. Any idea what's going on here? It's only a couple of fonts that do this ( Arrus BT, Times New Roman) but it's a PITA to have to go back to Word or PowerPoint just for a simple text edit.

[akb]

I agreed with metbeals. he is 100% right.

AKB