Prepressforums.com - GRS files crashed in Packedge 5 (Backstage V3)

Marc3llo · #1 (**permalink**) 07-14-2007, 07:01 PM

Hi, I am new in the forum and i ve found it really great.

I have a question and is regarding Packedge 5. I am using grs files and many times i ve found that everything is going ok, but if you save the work, close it and re open, you will find a lot of ct's, all the masks applied into the artwork..(mean, what was a draw with a mask, now is the same draw with the mask applied) etc.

Since this version Esko started to use pdf scope in its workflow, and i dont know if is something about it.. some bug about working around with grs files in this new workflow.

Something like this has happen to some of you? Please, let me know.

Thanks in advanced!
Marcelo

David · #2 (**permalink**) 07-15-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc3llo

I am using grs files and many times i ve found that everything is going ok, but if you save the work, close it and re open, you will find a lot of ct's, all the masks applied into the artwork..(mean, what was a draw with a mask, now is the same draw with the mask applied) etc.

Since this version Esko started to use pdf scope in its workflow, and i dont know if is something about it.. some bug about working around with grs files in this new workflow.

Welcome to PPF Marc3llo!
Glad to have another Esko user online.

First off, you should really convert all your .grs files to pdf. It's easy and the files should really work better, especially if you're using transparency.

I'm not understanding your question correctly. Are you saying you have a .grs file that has no ct's, but when you save it and re-open, it now has ct's? Saving a .grs file will not convert vector linework to ct's.

I'm needing some more info to fully understand your issue.

cheers and let me know,
David

haven11 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-15-2007, 12:04 PM

this is packedge flattening your file, because of a transparent object with the multiply overprint attibute. (the editor will give you a warning in the info pop-up)

so you can either re construct the file so that there is no opacity that is multiply overprinting, or as mentioned just switch to the pdf format

cheers
haven

Marc3llo · #4 (**permalink**) 07-15-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Welcome to PPF Marc3llo!
Glad to have another Esko user online.

First off, you should really convert all your .grs files to pdf. It's easy and the files should really work better, especially if you're using transparency.

I'm not understanding your question correctly. Are you saying you have a .grs file that has no ct's, but when you save it and re-open, it now has ct's? Saving a .grs file will not convert vector linework to ct's.

I'm needing some more info to fully understand your issue.

cheers and let me know,
David

Hi, thanks a lot for replying.

Yes David, when i reopen the file, it has ct's, may be from a gradient or like you said before, due to some transparency.. but this is really funny indeed, cos it doesnt happen all the time.

Generally i export the pdfscope file as grs, cos it's faster to work with it, especially if your PC is not a great one. So, in this case, grs is lighter than pdfscope to work with.

And also like i said before, packedge applies the mask to the linework. For example, you know when you have a layer in photoshop with a mask and then "apply mask"? well, it's just the same... i dont have the full linework anymore, just what i could see before with the mask.

It's odd 'cos in backstage we choose the file to work with as pdfscope, so it's a full pdf, but when i am exporting it as grs, the file has these errors and i have to start all over again as pdfscope file. But if we start in backstage as grs, the error is the same.

Well David, i hope i've made more sense this time.

Thanks in advance.
Marcello

David · #5 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc3llo

i dont have the full linework anymore, just what i could see before with the mask.

From your description, are you talking about vector artwork that is in a mask, with part of the vector art outside the mask. When you save and reopen, the vector art outside the mask is gone?

Sounds like PSFix is removing the "hidden objects" just like it's supposed to do. This function is to remove objects that are not used and hidden in a mask, outside the masked area (to make the file cleaner and lean).

If your Scope PDF is bigger (MB wise) than a .grs, it's probably due to the images in the file not being linked, but internal. You can make all the internal images external links if you need to, so your file will be smaller.

I hope I understand your question correctly.

cheers,
David

Marc3llo · #6 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by David

From your description, are you talking about vector artwork that is in a mask, with part of the vector art outside the mask. When you save and reopen, the vector art outside the mask is gone?

Sounds like PSFix is removing the "hidden objects" just like it's supposed to do. This function is to remove objects that are not used and hidden in a mask, outside the masked area (to make the file cleaner and lean).

If your Scope PDF is bigger (MB wise) than a .grs, it's probably due to the images in the file not being linked, but internal. You can make all the internal images external links if you need to, so your file will be smaller.

I hope I understand your question correctly.

cheers,
David

Yes David, you understood it correctly.

But i only passed the pfix before working with the file, so, i dont have any thing that can come up from illustrator.

I can only say that Packedge 5 is not as good as I thought it was going to be. It Would've been better to keep on working with Packedge 4 despite its lack on trapping (especially if you compare it with Packedge 2..)

I will check the internal or external files. I really thought it was an issue regarding the pdf workflow.

Thanks a lot for your time and i found this forum really great to talk about our industry.

cheers
Marcelo

Marc3llo · #7 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by haven11

this is packedge flattening your file, because of a transparent object with the multiply overprint attibute. (the editor will give you a warning in the info pop-up)

so you can either re construct the file so that there is no opacity that is multiply overprinting, or as mentioned just switch to the pdf format

cheers
haven

Hi Haven, you are right, today i was working with a file with some opacity and in multiply add overprint mode... the file just crashed, when i reopened it i had a lot of ct's trying to generate the opacity/multiply image i had, but you know, if i put the opacity down but darken mode, the file keeps clean as always. Odd indeed.

Thanks for the tip.

Marcelo

David · #8 (**permalink**) 07-17-2007, 04:17 AM

How much RAM do you have in your PC?
Esko is a RAM hog (much like the new Adobe suite CS3).
If you don't have sufficient RAM the apps can't run at top performance and may crash when trying to render objects that contain some form of transparency.
You may want to look into upgrading the RAM in your box, it's actually cheeper than you may think.

cheers and good luck,
David

haven11 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-18-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc3llo

Hi Haven, you are right, today i was working with a file with some opacity and in multiply add overprint mode... the file just crashed, when i reopened it i had a lot of ct's trying to generate the opacity/multiply image i had, but you know, if i put the opacity down but darken mode, the file keeps clean as always. Odd indeed.

Thanks for the tip.

Marcelo

yes the darken mode will get around this issue, but remember that you will still need multiply to reproduce some effects. have the info box to always pop-up (not just for warnings and errors) and it will aways tell you when theres a problem