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frailer · #1 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 11:07 PM

Assuming a font is fully embedded, and not sub-set, is it possible to place an accent, [e.g. an 'acute' over an 'e'], with the edit Type Tool in PSP? Or is this a job for Quack/Indy...outside PSP's scope? Never tripped over this one in my brief PSP type wrangling career, but did today.
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mattbeals · #2 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 11:35 PM

You have to have the font loaded on your system.

Forget the idea of fully embedded or subsetted. The font has to be loaded on your system. Hell the font doesn't even need to be embedded. As long as it is loaded on the system.

There is no practical benefit to fully embedding fonts.

the_brain · #3 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 01:08 AM

Completely correct, Matt!

It is always best to have the fonts installed on the OS.
Acrobat 6 doesn't allow you to edit any font (subsetted or fully embedded) that isn't installed.
Acrobat 7 and 8 are a bit more lenient but definitely warn you if the font is not installed. Both for workability as legal matters.

Frailer, how did you create the PDF file? It could be that even when it should be fully embedded, some characters are not added.

Cheers.

frailer · #4 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 02:10 AM

It's an incoming PDF, supposedly print-ready, but the requested change was to add the accent to an existing character. the_brain, I now realise that I have been "fudging" most type corrections due to the mentioned "leniency". Job was fixed in Quark in the end, but it's worth back-tracking, as an exercise, to load the font into the system.
Am now more aware of what's happening with PSP and type corrections.
Thanks.

Joe · #5 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattbeals

You have to have the font loaded on your system.

Forget the idea of fully embedded or subsetted. The font has to be loaded on your system. Hell the font doesn't even need to be embedded. As long as it is loaded on the system.

There is no practical benefit to fully embedding fonts.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but if you have the font fully embedded can't you change, for example, the letter "a" to the letter "e" without the font being loaded in the OS?

frailer · #6 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 12:51 PM

Apropos Joe's comment. I've always assumed, from what's been said on this, that if the font is fully embedded, that you had access to, say,an "x", even if the PDF creator hadn't used an "x" in the doc. I'm more than happy to mend my ways, and know how to embed from "system" in Inspector, [correct?]...but are we nevertheless "winging it" without doing so? :?

the_brain · #7 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 11:45 PM

Joe,

It depends on the application you're using (see my previous reply). But this would be the rule, yes.
But nevertheless the rule is as well to have the font installed.

Frailer, I've also had instances, where I've completely embedded a specific font and when afterwards trying to add E.g. a quote mark it doesn't work.

Is it font dependent? I have no clue.

Cheers

almaink · #8 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 06:38 AM

Back in os9 and Acrobat 4 days I could edit any font if it was embedded. Once OSX and Acrobat 6 came about if the fonts are not loaded on my system, chances are I can't edit it by typing, I have to copy and paste even if the font is fully embedded. Why they make this such a chore is a mystery to me.