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02-24-2007, 01:19 PM
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Azura plates on Fuji Javelin?
Does anyone runs prcessless Azura plates on Fuji Javelin CTP?
Derek
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02-24-2007, 02:41 PM
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Stargate:
Although we haven't done qualification with Fuji -
we have complete qualification from Screen - the
manufacturer of the Fuji Javelin & Dart (4-up)
devices. And, considering that we launched Azura
first on our Acento, this is a similar engine to
the Dart. So, we have hundreds of customers
running Azura on Screen imaging technology
similar to that in your Javelin.
Check these archives for "Santa"'s experience
with Azura on an Acento.
Regards,
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02-24-2007, 03:15 PM
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I am running Fuji LHPJ now and I am thinking about switching to process-less plates in few months. I know Agfa was first manufacturer with those. Do you have any advantage over Fuji plates? I have Screen PT 9000 with Fuji logo on it. I couldn't find "santa" tread. Is Acento also a Screen made device? How about my speed? I heard that it will but cut in half....
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02-24-2007, 06:31 PM
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Stargate...
Yes, the Acento is also made by Screen.
When it comes to running Kodak's ThermalDirect,
and our current version of Azura, yes, the speed
is nearly cut in half. On other devices, it can be no
degradation, or perhaps about 15 - 20%%. The nice
thing about the Fuji Pro-T plate, is that it has about
the same speed as their traditional plate.
However, plates like ThermalDirect and Pro-T remain
light sensitive before and after imaging - even until
they are rolled-up on press to clean-off the emulsion.
This causes issues with imaging ahead of time, and
perhaps even more so, the inability to QC the plate,
since there is a very faint image to verify.
With Agfa's off-press clean-out approach, the plates
can hang around the shop for days, in bright light,
until they are finally needed on press. And, since
they are cleaned out in a simple 1-stp gumming
solution, you can easily QC the plates for content...
but you'll find that you end up throwing your plate
reader away.
Agfa's plates have an extremely wide imaging
latitude, so there is no variation from side-to-side,
or day-to-day... making re-prints an easy match.
But don't take my word for it... I'm certain you can
find some posts by John Santangelo (Santa) that will
give you a real-life example. He used to be a loyal Fuji
analog shop.
The best advice - try them on plress ahead of time...
Good luck in your quest.
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02-24-2007, 06:35 PM
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Stargate - here's one of many from John...
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We have ben running the Azura here for almost 19 months, run about 400-500 per month.
I love em,no safe light needed, I can make them and run them right to press or to the racks and run them a week later with no issues.
Pressroom loves em, say they run just like our old Analog fuji's. We kept same fountain solution, same procedures, no extra water or make ready needed. They just dropped right in.
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02-25-2007, 02:36 AM
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Stargate:
Under the "Search" tab above,
plug "Azura" in as the "Keyword",
and "santa" as "Author"... also,
display as "Posts", not topics,
and you should filter John's
experience (recent to earliest)
surrounding Azura on his Acento (Screen).
Regards,
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03-31-2007, 07:30 AM
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it is incredible. 21 th century and people doen´t know diference between diferent plates technology:
- Thermal digital plates are standar plates for CTP (Agfa, Kodak, Fuji, Ipagsa) between 100 and 140 mJ Energy and need develope quemistry.
- Process-less plate are Prestek (300 mJ), Thermal direct (300 mJ) and Fuji Pro T. (120 mJ)
- Process-less means without post process (develope, water,...)
- Quemistry-free plates like Azura from Agfa means with ouput process like develope with special gum, wash and dry stage but without quemistry (spite of this gum is a quemistry too).
I think the future will be process-less, but or the moment I prefer digital plate like the spanish plate Ipagsa.
Arturo.
www.icg-iberica.com
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03-31-2007, 08:41 AM
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Greetings Arturo,
For CtP, I am not sure what Presstek is doing with their processless Applause any more. I did not see it Graph Expo last September and they did not include it in any of their press releases for the show. Did you see it at Graphispag? It is still on there website though. Perhaps some one can clarify.
At Graph Expo, they were promoting the new Anthem Pro, which requires an offline clean out unit. This plate has grain, not like its predecessor the Anthem or the Applause. The other plates they mentioned in their press release were the Freedom and the Aurora, Both also require a clean out unit and I believe they are the same technology.
Regards,
Mark
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04-01-2007, 12:26 PM
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Prestek plates is only 0.05 % spanish market. But he is, with no very importantant result.
Just now is growing in Spain mainly sales of Heidelberg Suprasetter and mainly the new and economic model Suprasetter A with the simple auto cassete system. I think Heidelberg is working very close with the Agfa Azura plates and Fuji. Why Heidelberg agreement with Fuji. May be the new and fantastic plate Pro T process-less from Fuji ?.
Arturo
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