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stimps · #1 (**permalink**) 11-23-2005, 04:59 PM

We are a point-of-purchase display/packaging company that outsources its purchase of press sheets for our jobs. We are exploring bringing our prepress functions inside. That way we have full-control over the timing of our proofs. Our goal would be to send a RIP/Imposition ready file to the printer so they can basically place it into the Imposition software, RIP it and run. Our jobs range in size from 40" to 81". Colors range from 4/C work to 2 or 3 spots. I have previously used and installed a Brisque and Prinergy workflow in a previous job.

I have it narrowed down to Prinergy Evo and Nexus. No cost differences. We would have Nexus Import, Processor and Edit but not RIP.

What are the opinions of the group on this? Should I do AWS or Creo? I am posting this into the Creo forum to for variety...

pcmodem · #2 (**permalink**) 11-27-2005, 07:50 AM

AWS (Artwork-Systems) was originally based on packaging an labels from what I remember. Their trapping is excellent and they are inovative.

macdevin · #3 (**permalink**) 11-28-2005, 01:48 PM

This is loaded question! I would say they are both at the top tiers of any system.
I think it's best to find what solution works best for your company by having them bring in a demo box. Run your files thru and see what you like best.
As for support! Creo/kodak is by far better. This is one thing that sucks with Artworks.

We did not go with Prinergy due to the poor demo / salesman and I felt a PDF workflow only was not the best choice for our company.

Devin

Composition_34 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-30-2006, 05:17 PM

I've used a nexus workflow system for almost a year, and I couldn't be happier.

I'm still wondering why I hear so many people complain about their support...I've spoken with some of the developers themselves. Those people have it together in my opinion.

-Composition_34

macdevin · #5 (**permalink**) 01-30-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Composition_34

I've used a nexus workflow system for almost a year, and I couldn't be happier.

I'm still wondering why I hear so many people complain about their support...I've spoken with some of the developers themselves. Those people have it together in my opinion.

-Composition_34

I guess it's all about your level of support! When I have a problem I aspect a call back within an hour! I get this with every other vendor, this includes CREO/Kodak, Fuji, Hieldberg, Rampage, and xerox.

Their developers may be able to talk well, but when you look at their track record of the last few updates, then they don't have it together!
They have an EGO bigger then Texas. They don't develop for the US, even thought were their biggest customers.

just my 2cents!
Devin

macdevin · #6 (**permalink**) 01-30-2006, 05:36 PM

Oh by the way, Other then poor support and big head developers, they are a top notch company. Their RIP is close to the best at getting the job done, even thought you need to take week to set-up a workflow!

Devin

#7 (**permalink**) 01-30-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by macdevin

I guess it's all about your level of support! When I have a problem I aspect a call back within an hour! I get this with every other vendor, this includes CREO/Kodak, Fuji, Hieldberg, Rampage, and xerox.

Their developers may be able to talk well, but when you look at their track record of the last few updates, then they don't have it together!
They have an EGO bigger then Texas. They don't develop for the US, even thought were their biggest customers.

just my 2cents!
Devin

I expect a call back in at least an hour, if not less.

I've also noticed the great number of posts for - "Nexus Rev. such&such is out", and then next week another, and another, etc... seems to be buggy.
Just what I've noticed tho...
Vee

Composition_34 · #8 (**permalink**) 01-30-2006, 06:22 PM

Vee, and Devin......

I have to say, that I am so glad I connected with you two guys......

Well, you both propose an objective angle......I love the rip too.....but I have to say that you're right as far as the ego.

I mess with workflows a lot.....and it really does take a week to get it set right again.

It seems to me that Artwork and Creo are at the top of the game as far as workflows.......

Oh and you're right....those guys never call you back in an hour....

_34

macdevin · #9 (**permalink**) 01-30-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Composition_34

Vee, and Devin......

I have to say, that I am so glad I connected with you two guys......

Well, you both propose an objective angle......I love the rip too.....but I have to say that you're right as far as the ego.

I mess with workflows a lot.....and it really does take a week to get it set right again.

It seems to me that Artwork and Creo are at the top of the game as far as workflows.......

Oh and you're right....those guys never call you back in an hour....

_34

My main goal is to make Nexus a better workflow! When that happens then everybody wins. I've talked with and written letters to just about everybody on the US support side to voice my thoughts and concerns.
I'm only one voice so I encourage everybody to let them know what they do wrong and what they do right. Your phone calls or letters need to go to the VP of support and VP of sales.

Devin

knvb · #10 (**permalink**) 01-31-2006, 12:03 PM

you might get a call back in an hour with Creo, Agfa etc. but its the product/workflow and functionality that counts, For packaging, Creo has only a shell to offer...limited editing tools and a Pandoras list of components that have been peiced together over the years...AWS support gets back with me by the end of day...with an answer...Creo does not have the tools to give answers...